tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post2414322812733783286..comments2023-08-02T15:41:21.326+01:00Comments on Ancient Richborough: Patrimonial HymnsEdwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15213363119774322096noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-64788875004355982192011-05-14T09:32:10.663+01:002011-05-14T09:32:10.663+01:00Whilst agreeing in general, it is possible for som...Whilst agreeing in general, it is possible for some of the modern stuff to be used intelligently. For example since worshipping with our local Catholic parish we have only sung 'Shine, Jesus, shine' once - in Lent on Transfiguration Sunday! Perfect.Arthur Rusdell-Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10830270058578264121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-47110582395294027932011-05-09T13:59:51.020+01:002011-05-09T13:59:51.020+01:00What a marvellous article! It mirrors very much w...What a marvellous article! It mirrors very much what one of our priests said in a letter to our Catholic Newspaper, the Southern Cross, in South Africa. I also fully agree with Ian W's comment that people don't sing the Mass but sing at Mass.<br /><br />I'm going to reproduce this on my blog....I already have a link to yours....with the appropriate.....acknowledgements, of course!<br /><br />Oh...my blog is http://quodsemper.blogspot.comPeter James-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16812249723086091069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-60676857433672137862011-05-08T19:10:42.563+01:002011-05-08T19:10:42.563+01:00Concentration on hymns has diverted many Catholic ...Concentration on hymns has diverted many Catholic parishes from singing the mass to singing at mass. As Maurice remarks, this was not the intention of the Council. It is not a problem with which members of the Ordinariat will, on the whole, be familiar, but it is a serious one, and any resposnse to it that concentrates on improving the quality of the hymnody (desirable as such an initiative is) misses the greater issue, to which Gregorian chant - the Latin Rite's own music - is an excellent, beautiful and Catholic response.<br /><br />One of the things I trust the Ordinariat will bring to our notice is a patrimony that takes the need to sing the liturgy well to good music as a given, to which it also adds a tradition of excellent hymns. As you're discovering, Fr. Edwin, we're not starting from the same place.IanWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14802289720095323373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-6631386475405671942011-05-08T14:31:13.653+01:002011-05-08T14:31:13.653+01:00Thanks for some very helpful and practical comment...Thanks for some very helpful and practical comments.Edwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213363119774322096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-57766764619008591272011-05-08T14:19:45.425+01:002011-05-08T14:19:45.425+01:00Father - the biggest battles that take place here ...Father - the biggest battles that take place here in a Spanish seminary are over music! The only time when students want to sing modern ditties are when a number of G&Ts have been taken! Modern seminarians have strong ideas on church music - and it doesn't include modern pap!Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06412720525578574149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-15723395371346274112011-05-08T09:59:30.391+01:002011-05-08T09:59:30.391+01:00Dear Father
I paste below a list of the hymns in ...Dear Father<br /><br />I paste below a list of the hymns in our parish for the first four Sundays of Eastertide. All are in 'Celebration for Everyone' - a standard Catholic hymnbook - and all are in common use in the Catholic Church, at least in this part of the world.<br /><br />With great affection, Fr Bill East.<br /><br />SUNDAY 24th APRIL - EASTER DAY<br /><br />INTROIT 68 Battle is oβer<br />SEQUENCE 100 Bring, all ye dear-bought nations, bring<br />OFFERTORY 246 He is Lord<br />COMMUNION 578 One bread, one body<br />FINAL 322 Jesus Christ is risen today<br />_____________________________________________________________<br /><br />SUNDAY 1st MAY β LOW SUNDAY<br /><br />INTROIT 690 The day of resurrection<br />OFFERTORY 39 Almighty Father, Lord most high<br />COMMUNION 32 Alleluia, alleluia, give thanks to the risen Lord<br />FINAL 728 Thine be the glory<br />_____________________________________________________________<br />SUNDAY 8th APRIL β EASTER 3<br />INTROIT 101 Bring flowers of the rarest<br />OFFERTORY 756 Upon thy table<br />COMMUNION 399 Love is his word<br />FINAL 300 Immaculate Mary<br />_____________________________________________________________<br /><br />SUNDAY 15th MAY β EASTER 4<br /><br />INTROIT 22 All people that on earth do dwell<br /><br />OFFERTORY 678 Take our bread, we ask you<br /><br />COMMUNION 77 Because the Lord is my shepherd<br /><br />FINAL 140 Daily daily, sing to Mary<br />_____________________________________________________________supple_doctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004089101907409850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-31697706870702614072011-05-07T23:06:25.466+01:002011-05-07T23:06:25.466+01:00Much better to create a new culture where the Mass...Much better to create a new culture where the Mass parts are sung as the norm and - perhaps occasionally - a hymn or two added in. Not the other way round. This is what Sacrosanctum Concilium envisaged and encouraged. That was nearly fifty years ago and we're still dogged by dreadful hymn sandwiches where the 'sandwich' is dreadful hymns.Mauricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02262499349555966043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-1164417333137410132011-05-07T23:01:44.078+01:002011-05-07T23:01:44.078+01:00Many of the modern hymns are total trash and deser...Many of the modern hymns are total trash and deserve to go into the dustbin of history. Not only are the words doggerel but the tunes are totally unworthy of worship. Used with some caution I can recommend the Royal School of Church Music Guide which covers all Sundays and most hymn books and is issued quarterly to affliated choirs etc.Father Mervyn Jenningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17053613428222136067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-87071813781579832382011-05-07T22:32:02.181+01:002011-05-07T22:32:02.181+01:00The hymn book used by the London Oratory would see...The hymn book used by the London Oratory would seem to set an appropriate standard, (but then the priests there have always had predominantly Anglican origins).motupropriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261356560114077508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-50308183233453966012011-05-07T21:37:59.580+01:002011-05-07T21:37:59.580+01:00A not inconsiderable part of the problem is that w...A not inconsiderable part of the problem is that we have become obsessed with congregational hymn singing. It was almost completely unknown within the Eucharistic tradition on the Latin Rite until 40 years ago - just at the time of the emergence of a demotic cultural hegemony. So, instead of listening to the teaching of the Council Fathers on the subject, what we got was Estelle White, Damian Lundy and instead of a strengthening of liturgical sensibilities we got Shine Jesus Shine.Trisagionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15689037119871067090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-318946601530749054.post-56099738985560608702011-05-07T21:06:11.797+01:002011-05-07T21:06:11.797+01:00I absolutely agree with you. I have no experience...I absolutely agree with you. I have no experience of what RC churches are singing, but in Anglican and Housechurch circles there are far too many 'hymns' which are about 'me' and how I feel. Wesley wrote some fine hymns, but there are SOME good new ones, especially those by Bishop Timothy Dudley-Smith.Fr Barry Tomlinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17717740478657899465noreply@blogger.com